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TRAINING YOUR KELPIE

 

TRAINING  LESSONS!

 GENERAL OBEDIENCE LESSONS

PROBLEM CORRECTION TRAINING

SHEEPDOG LESSONS

WE TRAIN ALL BREEDS AND MIXED BREEDS

 At the Noonbarra Stud, we also do private lessons in sheepdog training and general obedience with all breeds (and cross-breeds) of dogs. We also can help with bad habits, negative behaviour and general dog problems including car chasing, noise sensitivity, heeling, fear and aggression in dogs.

We teach all aspects of sheepdog work including Yard work, Field work, Trial obstacles, balance, distance and steady work, basic training, starting puppies, backing, casting, fixing bad habits etc.

Stephen has been training dogs since a young child (now mid 50's) and has been working professionally as a dog trainer and behaviourist for around 30 years. His father and grandfather also professionally trained & bred dogs and other animals and specialised in sheepdogs.

With obedience we teach getting general control and respect from the dog, Basic formal commands such as ‘Sit’, Down, Stay, Come, Heel, Stand (Stop), and general manners, problem behaviour and control issues. We also work at getting your dog more calm and relaxed and better general behaviour. The extent of this of course varies with the genetics of each dog. Adolescent dogs are often more difficult than younger dogs and older dogs.

 Other types of training may be able to be arranged either by us personally or through additional dog training professionals.

 Private  Lessons

One on one instruction - tailored to each handler and dog.

General obedience - Problem solving or consultations - $65 per hour session
Two hour sessions - $120


Stock Training lessons with sheep are  $150 - Per session
These sessions go for two hours, depending on stamina of the dog. They usually include assessment and discussion on dog, Two or three practical lesson periods of training, intro to sheep, instructions, tea, coffee break etc. Extra hour at $50.

Accommodation is not available at the Noonbarra Stud but there are dozens of Motels, guest houses, caravan parks etc in nearby Orange.

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We can also travel to you and train your dog if required.
For example, to train a dog in Sydney we usually charge a fee of $350 for travel time, fuel and the training session which usually goes for 2 to 3 hours. This can fix up most general training & problems. If the problem is more difficult, then we might work with the dog in multiple lessons over two days and this can cost between $450 and $500. However long developed bad habits and severe problems generally need intensive training over a week or more in a board/train situation.

A couple of times a year, Stephen travels to Sydney to train a number of dogs.
Cost is $120 for 2 hour training session.

WEEKLY BOARDING & TRAINING COURSES ..

(7 days)... $500

 (14 days)... $850

 (ALL BREEDS)

We usually have a number of bookings all year for training and especially the board/training programs so please book ahead. If the problem has to have immediate action or is an emergency then we'll do our best to accomodate the dog straight away.
 

 When we have the space and time we offer a boarding/training solutionl. This is a very intensive course in training your dog while your dog stays with us. These courses can be for general training and obedience or may be to correct certain behavioural problems and bad habits or they may be for sheepdog training.

Some customers like to do this package when the pup is about 5-6 months old and just want to get the foundation basics handled right so they can continue the training and know they are doing it correctly. It also allows them to work with the dog more effectively. Other customers wait until adolescence at about 8 months to 14 months and want a few bad habits corrected. Others bring their Kelpies every six months or so and have foundation training, obedience training and/or stock training etc. The dog has a great holiday and the owners get back a better behaved dog that has learned new things.

We can do general obedience training, socialising, correcting bad habits, stockyard work or paddock work with sheep. Many customers send their dogs via plane to Orange airport. We can get very cheap rates on flights for you. Others prefer to drive to the Noonbarra Stud. You can also include a one hour (or more) training session at the end of your dogs stay with us for $50.  (Ask about discounts for multiple hours with boarding course). For young dogs a week is usually plenty and the same for obedience training unless there are special problems. Some young dogs going into early adolescence can be very excited and distracted and have difficulty calming down. With these dogs it can sometimes take a few extra days but not always. With sheepwork a week is good but 14 days is not unusual. A one hour handler/dog training session & evaluation/discussion added into the weekly training course is just $50.

Although we do serious training with the dogs it is also an enjoyable holiday for them. Dogs used to being outside are kept in good sized insulated runs and kennels at night and during the day, they are with us inside the house or outside training on the property or in town training or in an exercise/play yard during the day. Dogs used to being house dogs are kept inside at night and in the day will either be with us in the house or doing training or in an exercise yard playing with other dogs.

We are good at getting a dog's trust. All the dogs we have had here so far (many years) see it as a fun holiday and they return home much better dogs for the experience. We also strongly suggest all customers get a copy of our basic training book - Kelpie Basics!

TIPS BEFORE COMING FOR BOARDING/TRAINING
To get the most from this training it is a big advantage if your dog has been away previously, such as in a boarding kennel for at least a few days. This dramatically reduces any stress and separation anxiety and allows us to train at a higher level quicker where the dog is learning and responding to more complex situations. All dogs, of all ages, are a little stressed going into a new environment, just like humans are and even though we are experts at getting a dog to feel relaxed and happy, it still takes time and of course it is better for the dog and he can learn more if he is already used to being in different situations and is more adaptable. Highly intelligent, soft natured dogs over about 10 months tend to fair the worst unless they have been away before.

Anyone who has been to obedience schools and classes will know that many dogs have been going there regularly for years and still have problems with Recall (Getting your dog to come) heeling (walking your dog on a lead) and down-stay work. Good reliable heeling is very rarely accomplished under a year. Most dog owners take much longer than that and a high percentage never get their dog to heel well and even after many years the dog still pulls them along and makes a walk very uncomfortable and anything but a joy. We are expects at teaching heeling and can dramatically speed things up but even we can't do the impossible in a short space of time and can only set your dog up in good foundation work and good behaviour and attitude so the owner can take over the training with a lot less problems. Sometimes we can completely turn around a dog in just a week and have the dog heeling at a high level but in most cases we can get the dog walking nicely but still need occasional corrections from the owner. A lot depends on how set the bad habit is and how long the dog has had it. Genetics of the dog also plays a part. Some dogs are natural heeling dogs and other are naturally dogs that walk wide or are distracted or want to dominate and pull ahead etc. 

We have decades of experience behind us and have worked with young dogs, old dogs, tiny breeds and large breeds and have a lot of knowledge and expertise in training dogs. We work extremely hard on customers dogs and the dogs always respond well to us and have fun and learning at the same time. We put in a lot of hours and this work is very demanding and we have to be concentrating and focassed on the job all the time. We do our best to get these dogs to a high level of training but the customer has to have realistic expections and not expect a nightmare dog with lots of bad habits to be like 'Lassie' in just a week.

SHEEPWORK
To train a dog to be reliable in the paddock on sheep takes at least 6 months of intensive training from a top trainer with lots of experience and a very well bred dog with lots of natural talent. For most good trainers with experience it would be well over a year before they have a solid reliable dog and in many cases it may be closer to 2 years or longer. We can't work miracles but we can short-cut many areas and make sure your dog has the right foundation training and is set up right to continue with the training without bad habits.

With sheepwork, a lot more can be accomplished if the dog has already been working on sheep and is making mistakes or getting into bad habits, then with a dog that is a complete raw beginner and we have to start from scratch. With complete raw beginners a lot of the training is getting the confidence up and reassuring the dog that it is okay to work. We do lots and lots of what we call general sheepwork lessons where we use quiet sheep and get the dog to learn to be switched on and focussed and to be calmer around the stock. Some dogs may require up to 50 of these lessons before moving on. Our main aims are to get the dog to work on the point of balance and to not overwork and be focussed on the sheep.

We progress on from this to teaching the sides and the stop command and then move onto walk-up lessons, and more advanced training. Excitable dogs can be quite difficult and dogs without much natural ability are extremely difficult. We can train dogs to do things such as in general training, obedience and correcting problem behaviour but when natural ability is required (as in stockwork) we can only work with the genetics the dog has. This very basic training can take a week or more by itself very easily.

Dogs that have had general obedience training and walk well on a lead etc tend to be more responsive to commands then dogs that are completely out of control. We have worked with dogs at every level including dogs that have been to many other trainers without success.

 

Mary & Stephen Bilson - Noonbarra Kelpie Stud.

Bimaru, 539 Lookout Road, Mullion Creek via Orange. NSW. Ph. 02-6366 0499

Email us

www.noonbarra.com

WEEKEND BOARDING/TRAINING PACKAGE (2 Days)  $300
A lot of our customers requested a two day training package so they could drive to the rural city of Orange, drop their dog off and spend the weekend exploring the region, wineries etc and stay in a motel while their dog is being boarded and trained. It can be the usual Saturday and Sunday or any two weekdays. As we train the dogs for short periods on and off over the entire day, this training package is not suitable for the owner to be present during the training sessions. [We do have a $150 training session especially for the owners to be present- see other packages]. We do however spend an hour with the owners at the completion of the weekend and give them a run down of the dogs training, future potential etc.

This package is best for Spring, Winter or Autumn when the weather is suitable. Summer may be too hot for some dogs to work well.
Drop off dog around 10am first day and pick up around 3pm the next day.
Price for Weekend Training Package is ... $300

DAY TRAINING SESSIONS  .. $150           [Extra hour ..  $50]      
 

We also do day training sessions for general obedience, problem correction and sheepwork. This is one -on-one training and tailored especially for you and your dog. Sessions include evaluation, practical training, discussion and advice as well as a coffee break. Sessions  run  2 hours depending on the stamina and mental capability of the dog. Obedience training can include heeling, sitting, lying down, coming to owner and/or down-stays. Sheepwork training can be either yard work or paddock work or a combination of both. Obviously problem correction looks at the individual problem. Some ingrained behavioural problems of course cannot be fixed in a session of this short length and may have to go into a longer boarding/training program.

PUPPY TRAINING PACKAGES
A number of different training packages for puppies are available too.

 

 

TARA AS A PUP IN 1984STEP-BY-STEP LESSONS

In our opinion, most people approach sheepdog training from the wrong angle. Instead of teaching the dog what you want him to do in simple progressive lessons most handlers throw the dog in a paddock (or yards) and hope he is a good worker. Undoubtedly the handler ends up with a dog that does a few things right, a few things wrong and generally learns a lot of bad habits along the way that are never cured.

So why do it? Why waste time and money?

We have known handlers that have had more than a hundred dogs over a period of a few years. We have even known handlers that have had over a hundred sheepdogs at the same time! Sure they will get results on a handful of dogs but the others have their life ended prematurely. This is not the sign of a good handler. Australians as a rule don't appreciate good sheepdogs. This is mostly because as a country we have always had top quality workers. The attitude is thankfully changing and that is reflected in some high prices going for top line working dogs these days.

The newcomer to sheepdogs usually asks for a pup from his neighbour or local farmer with a mob of dogs. No one ever stops to think he probably has a mob of dogs because none are any good and he hopes at least one will work on any given day. The idea of throwing a dog in with sheep and hoping for good results is a mug's way of working. You can work and train in a much more efficient way that gives you a good dog without too much effort.

Stephen Bilson preparing to muster with Val 1986

Stephen & Val in 1986

There is no trick to this method. It is based on the way we learn ourselves. For example, you wouldn't ask your four or five year old daughter to solve chemistry equations, would you! That's because you know it will take time before she learns enough to understand difficult things. Sure she may have a natural ability to be good at chemistry passed on by her parents but you are still aware that she needs to learn the alphabet, then to read, add & subtract and so on until finally she has progressed steadily at a pace she can handle & understand. One day she may be a Professor or a Scientist but today she is just a little girl that wants to learn but doesn't know how to begin ...... It is exactly the same for dogs. Teach them progressive lessons! 

We teach our dogs slowly. We try to avoid the temptation of showing off when the dog is young. We like to see the dog make mistakes. We never think of these as faults or a big disaster. They are a normal part of the learning process. It is wonderful to watch a dog trying to work out how to do a job. We encourage the dog and allow him to learn from his mistakes. We make sure he clearly knows what is right and what is wrong without harsh punishment.

A great number of handlers are quick with the shouting, throwing sticks and punishment but they seem to overlook completely any praise. If the dog is not praised then he doesn't learn that he is doing the right thing. In any lesson we try to always have at least two or three times more praise than chastisement. If on a particular day the dog is making more than the average amount of mistakes we change the lesson to an easier one where the dog can succeed and gain confidence.

Don't allow your dog to get into bad habits. Dogs are strongly governed by habit. Once they start doing something wrong and you allow it to happen it is going to be a huge job to train them out of it. Professional handlers have people come to them with dogs that have had bad habits for months or even years, like biting or rushing the sheep and they expect the dog to be cured in a matter of hours. In some cases it is almost too hard to make it worthwhile. The habit is strongly ingrained and might need weeks or even months of training to reverse it.  It would take a massive amount of training time so you have to be committed to helping the dog. It is likely to need a professional trainer to spend a week or so with the dog and then you doing small training sessions over the following month or more so the dog becomes reliable and doesn't revert to old habits.

NOONBARRA TRACEY - A FULL SISTER TO NOONBARRA TIM, THE SIRE OF NOONBARRA GABE ETC.Another important piece of information is how hard it is to train a dog. Many handlers say it is easy and this gives new trainers a false impression. It's not easy by any means. If you want a top working dog, it is one of the hardest things you'll ever do. It will take time, knowledge and incredible patience. It can take years just to have a good understanding of dogs. You must have a clear head when you work and put 100% into each lesson. You can't turn off and think about other things or you'll miss something. You have to always be focused on what you are teaching and what the dog is doing.

You have to anticipate what your dog is going to do. You must train at least a few times every week and you must have some sort of lesson in your head before you start. Some of the top trainers will work with their dogs every single day in cold heat and rain. If you are not totally committed you probably won't get the dog you dream about.

There is a great deal of satisfaction in training a dog that becomes an outstanding example of the breed. It makes you proud to work in front of others and to be able to say you trained him yourself. Unfortunately some people may love their dogs but never be good trainers or handlers. If you think you may be one of those people then spend some extra money and buy a well started or fully trained Kelpie. The money will be well spent.

BREEDING & TRAINING

Many new kelpie handlers ask about the importance between breeding and training. Usually the majority of breeders will say that 80-90% of a good sheepdog is the breeding but a dog trainer will say 80-90% of a good dog is training. They can't both be right.

NOONBARRA DUSTY DROVING - GREYDENE TO BENYA

The reality is that breeding only makes up a very small percentage, probably 10% or even less but it is the genetic foundation of the dog and therefore extremely important. The genes determine the colour, build, temperament, ability, behaviour etc. of your dog. There are millions of genetic combinations and they will give you desirable as well as non-desirable aspects of your dog.

The training however is also extremely important. Often you can train a poorly bred dog, at least to some degree. On the other hand, there have been very well bred dogs that have never amounted to anything because the handler did not or could not train them properly. So no matter how well the dog is bred if it is not trained to its full potential then even the very best breeding is completely wasted.

It works the other way too. It is a waste to put a lot of time into training a dog that is not well bred. Although there are millions of combinations of genes, to make things simple, lets say for example that you want your dog to bark a lot when he is working. If both parents barked and all four grandparents barked and maybe all 8 great grandparents barked then there is a very high chance your pup will bark. If however the opposite was true and all the ancestors were silent dogs then there is a very good chance that you could train the dog until you were exhausted but you'd never train him to be a good barker. It is the same with all the various working and behavioural traits.

It is always a good idea to buy a book or video on sheepdog training or even better still attend one of the Sheepdog training schools held at various sites around the country.
TRAINING AND NOONBARRA CUSTOMERS

Apart from the large detailed information folder each customer receives on buying a Noonbarra Kelpie, every customer is always welcome to phone or write for additional training advice. We are still helping some customers many years after they have bought their dog. This is all part of our after-sales service and ensures that each Noonbarra Kelpie gets the best start in life.
 

 

New edition of this very popular manual designed for all Kelpie owners of every level from raw beginners through to experienced trainers. This practical manual deals with everything involved in owning and training a Kelpie to ensure he grows up to be a well mannered, obedient dog.

The book is not about training on livestock! It deals with general obedience training, socialising your Kelpie, feeding, crating, toilet training, preventing problem behaviour, dominance issues, car travel, bathing, digging holes, stealing food, walking on a lead, coming when called... and much more.

Over 100 pages.

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Noonbarra Stud DVD

This video shows the Noonbarra Kelpies working at all aspects of sheepwork including Droving, Mustering, Sheepdog Trials and Yard work. There are also special sections on Kelpies as companion dogs and pets and a section on Kelpie puppies. It shows our dogs interacting with children and strangers and being indoor dogs. Professionally finished with Titles, commentary and music.

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Noonbarra Working Kelpie Stud
Mary and Stephen Bilson.
'Bimaru'  539 Lookout Road, Mullion Creek via Orange. 2800

Postal Address: P.O. Box 1374, Orange NSW 2800, Australia
Ph. (02) 6366 0499

Email us

www.noonbarra.com